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what is worse: cooking or freezing meat?

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  • HunterskullH Hunterskull

    @vyvultra @arian

    Also protein usability drops from nearly 100% to 25% with freezing.

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    @Hunterskull I'm trying to find the study by NCBI but basically it depends on how it's frozen. If you freeze to 0F in less than 90 minutes then the nutrient loss is basically negligible. It's when the larger ice crystals form (after shit freezing) that break the nutrient. Something like this.

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      @vyvultra @arian

      Also protein usability drops from nearly 100% to 25% with freezing.

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      @Hunterskull
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      I DNR this study but it seems to line up with the study I read the other day.

      All in all, optimized freezing is at least better than cooked food and potentially as good as fresh meat.

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        I DNR this study but it seems to line up with the study I read the other day.

        All in all, optimized freezing is at least better than cooked food and potentially as good as fresh meat.

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        It appears to really depend on the freezing type. If you get fresh meat from a butcher and are able to vacuum seal and flash freeze then minimal harm is done.

        See this article

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          Cooking is significantly worse its not even close, i get 0 negative reactions from frozen meat but my body kills itself if i eat cooked meat

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            Cooking is worse just because you heat up the food to such high temperatures.

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              Probably cooking because there is alot more proof that cooking denatures the protein and the nutrients, water soluble vitamins that are found in raw meat, we are the only animals that cook their food and we are also the only animals that has degenerative disease..

              But there is not much proof that freezing meat removes 80% of nutrients. Aajonus just says things and people believe it. He never really proved this at all. I mean, didn't the Inuit freeze their meat?

              I challenge anyone to reply to me with concrete proof that freezing meat destroys 80% of nutrients. because it's an absurd claim imo.

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                Literally both. Don't do either.

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                • ? [[global:former-user]]

                  Probably cooking because there is alot more proof that cooking denatures the protein and the nutrients, water soluble vitamins that are found in raw meat, we are the only animals that cook their food and we are also the only animals that has degenerative disease..

                  But there is not much proof that freezing meat removes 80% of nutrients. Aajonus just says things and people believe it. He never really proved this at all. I mean, didn't the Inuit freeze their meat?

                  I challenge anyone to reply to me with concrete proof that freezing meat destroys 80% of nutrients. because it's an absurd claim imo.

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                  @Jay I mostly agree with what you wrote. If anything there's more research on the opposite, that with the right freezing methods, you can retain basically all nutrient profile of the meat.

                  I linked a few sources above but it's all over the internet.

                  I'm no scientist or dietician but some of what I read on Aajonus.net and the forum sounds like a bunch of hooplah.

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                  • T The Real Legend

                    Literally both. Don't do either.

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                    • T The Real Legend

                      Literally both. Don't do either.

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                      @The-Real-Legend said:

                      Literally both. Don't do either.

                      wrong

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                      • vyvultraV vyvultra

                        @The-Real-Legend said:

                        Literally both. Don't do either.

                        wrong

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                        @vyvultra medium or well done is so much worse that freezing for a few days or weeks

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                          @vyvultra medium or well done is so much worse that freezing for a few days or weeks

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                          @liverman12 agreed. I think the stance aajcels take on freezing is based on outdated and inaccurate science.

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