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    which one causes more nutrient loss and toxic substances?

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      which one causes more nutrient loss and toxic substances?

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      @arian eating fresh raw meat since it has bacteria 😈

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        which one causes more nutrient loss and toxic substances?

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        @arian

        Freezing causes 80% nutrient loss, which is more than cooking.

        "Doctors" don't know anything about nutrition and diet. Don't listen to them. Enjoy consuming raw!!!

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          @arian

          Freezing causes 80% nutrient loss, which is more than cooking.

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          @Hunterskull This is a myth. There's about a 1-10 micrograms nutrient loss which is basically negligible

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            @Hunterskull This is a myth. There's about a 1-10 micrograms nutrient loss which is basically negligible

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            @vyvultra

            How is this a myth? It destroys 80% of the nutritional value and generates toxins such as heterocyclic amines and lipid peroxides.

            "Doctors" don't know anything about nutrition and diet. Don't listen to them. Enjoy consuming raw!!!

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              @Hunterskull This is a myth. There's about a 1-10 micrograms nutrient loss which is basically negligible

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              @vyvultra @arian

              Also protein usability drops from nearly 100% to 25% with freezing.

              "Doctors" don't know anything about nutrition and diet. Don't listen to them. Enjoy consuming raw!!!

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                @vyvultra @arian

                Also protein usability drops from nearly 100% to 25% with freezing.

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                @Hunterskull I'm trying to find the study by NCBI but basically it depends on how it's frozen. If you freeze to 0F in less than 90 minutes then the nutrient loss is basically negligible. It's when the larger ice crystals form (after shit freezing) that break the nutrient. Something like this.

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                  @vyvultra @arian

                  Also protein usability drops from nearly 100% to 25% with freezing.

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                  @Hunterskull
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                  I DNR this study but it seems to line up with the study I read the other day.

                  All in all, optimized freezing is at least better than cooked food and potentially as good as fresh meat.

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                    I DNR this study but it seems to line up with the study I read the other day.

                    All in all, optimized freezing is at least better than cooked food and potentially as good as fresh meat.

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                    It appears to really depend on the freezing type. If you get fresh meat from a butcher and are able to vacuum seal and flash freeze then minimal harm is done.

                    See this article

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                      Cooking is significantly worse its not even close, i get 0 negative reactions from frozen meat but my body kills itself if i eat cooked meat

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                        Cooking is worse just because you heat up the food to such high temperatures.

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                          Probably cooking because there is alot more proof that cooking denatures the protein and the nutrients, water soluble vitamins that are found in raw meat, we are the only animals that cook their food and we are also the only animals that has degenerative disease..

                          But there is not much proof that freezing meat removes 80% of nutrients. Aajonus just says things and people believe it. He never really proved this at all. I mean, didn't the Inuit freeze their meat?

                          I challenge anyone to reply to me with concrete proof that freezing meat destroys 80% of nutrients. because it's an absurd claim imo.

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                            Literally both. Don't do either.

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                              Probably cooking because there is alot more proof that cooking denatures the protein and the nutrients, water soluble vitamins that are found in raw meat, we are the only animals that cook their food and we are also the only animals that has degenerative disease..

                              But there is not much proof that freezing meat removes 80% of nutrients. Aajonus just says things and people believe it. He never really proved this at all. I mean, didn't the Inuit freeze their meat?

                              I challenge anyone to reply to me with concrete proof that freezing meat destroys 80% of nutrients. because it's an absurd claim imo.

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                              @Jay I mostly agree with what you wrote. If anything there's more research on the opposite, that with the right freezing methods, you can retain basically all nutrient profile of the meat.

                              I linked a few sources above but it's all over the internet.

                              I'm no scientist or dietician but some of what I read on Aajonus.net and the forum sounds like a bunch of hooplah.

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                                Literally both. Don't do either.

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