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Why Aajonus Was Wrong About Bodyfat% (lean is law)

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    @elliott87
    @rabbi

    I want to hear your thoughts on this

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    • Elliott87E Online
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      Raw fat is compact, your face will look lean even when “obese”
      https://rawprimal.org/topic/1039/how-you-can-become-more-sensitive-why-primal-will-be-better-than-any-steroidd

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      • Elliott87E Elliott87

        Raw fat is compact, your face will look lean even when “obese”
        https://rawprimal.org/topic/1039/how-you-can-become-more-sensitive-why-primal-will-be-better-than-any-steroidd

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        @Elliott87 Interesting, do you have any photo examples of anyone on primal that are "obese" with a lean face?

        Also, would your testosterone be higher or lower being "obese" on primal compared to being lean on primal. I think this is important and i doubt it has been tested.

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        • JayJ Jay

          @Elliott87 Interesting, do you have any photo examples of anyone on primal that are "obese" with a lean face?

          Also, would your testosterone be higher or lower being "obese" on primal compared to being lean on primal. I think this is important and i doubt it has been tested.

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          @Jay Yes, aajonus IMG_2323.jpeg not sure his weight here but I believe 80kg+ since it is post injection. I sent u one in the other thread where he is definitely “obese” as per medical definition

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          • Elliott87E Elliott87

            @Jay Yes, aajonus IMG_2323.jpeg not sure his weight here but I believe 80kg+ since it is post injection. I sent u one in the other thread where he is definitely “obese” as per medical definition

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            @elliott87 Screenshot 2026-07-02 062713.png
            Aajonus Doesn't have a lean face here.. somethings not adding up

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            • JayJ Jay

              @elliott87 Screenshot 2026-07-02 062713.png
              Aajonus Doesn't have a lean face here.. somethings not adding up

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              @Jay angles

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                @elliott87 Screenshot 2026-07-02 062713.png
                Aajonus Doesn't have a lean face here.. somethings not adding up

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                @Jay This is not obese bro come on. I think this is just one of those things where your body knows best. If you follow your intuition and eat what you want and when you’re hungry you will land at the optimal bf% for you.

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                  I also wanted to ask @elliott87 or someone else I read that vegetable juices increase apetite. How is your personal experience with that?

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                  • JayJ Jay

                    I wonder why Primal folk promote getting to a higher Body Fat just because Aajonus says so

                    I mean men generally have higher testosterone at 12% compared 15% and 15% has wayyy more test than someone at 25%. so evolutionary speaking wouldn't it be seen as a net positive for men to always have higher testosterone?

                    Women also are more attracted to men who have a leaner face, so they would want to breed with the more good looking male to continue the species as good looking men subconsciously have great genetics. (oversimplified).

                    Lastly, I can imagine how an Aajonus Vonderplanitz approved Body would be seen as obese, slow & terrible stamina for hunting through the lens of tribes.

                    Thoughts?

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                    @Jay I don’t think there’s a magic body fat percentage that fits everyone, I think your body will get itself to the % it wants and that’s what will be best for health and hormones

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                    • LiverloverL Liverlover

                      I also wanted to ask @elliott87 or someone else I read that vegetable juices increase apetite. How is your personal experience with that?

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                      @Liverlover it does

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                      • JayJ Jay

                        I wonder why Primal folk promote getting to a higher Body Fat just because Aajonus says so

                        I mean men generally have higher testosterone at 12% compared 15% and 15% has wayyy more test than someone at 25%. so evolutionary speaking wouldn't it be seen as a net positive for men to always have higher testosterone?

                        Women also are more attracted to men who have a leaner face, so they would want to breed with the more good looking male to continue the species as good looking men subconsciously have great genetics. (oversimplified).

                        Lastly, I can imagine how an Aajonus Vonderplanitz approved Body would be seen as obese, slow & terrible stamina for hunting through the lens of tribes.

                        Thoughts?

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                        @Jay The studies on testosterone are from seed oil consuming people not primal people who eat raw saturated fat.

                        Raw liver enjoyer

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                        • Elliott87E Elliott87

                          @Liverlover it does

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                          @Elliott87 so you drink it in the morning and you’re noticably more hungry all day?

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                          • LiverloverL Liverlover

                            @Elliott87 so you drink it in the morning and you’re noticably more hungry all day?

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                            @Liverlover to put it simply yes

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                              @jay
                              I dont really know if you should get obese, as that term can vary by some standards. Some people use BMI, others use bodyfat % and even then it can change. For example you will find folks claiming 25%+ bodyfat is obese, others will say 30%+. Anyhow, the reason for putting on fat on this diet is simply that it helps with the detox. I will explain down below.

                              Detox is short for detoxification, which is when your body is getting rid of toxins. As you will know toxins are stored in the fat. This is exactly why raw butter is so important on the diet. On top of it being so nutrisous, and so dense in energy, the most overlooked aspect of it is that its a fat source without toxins. Bone marrow and other animal fats are extremly nutrisous aswell, but thats where the toxins are stored, so you risk getting sick if you eat them unless they are cooked or your body is well adapted. Just like animals store toxins in their fat, we humans store toxins in our fat, so the more fat you carry on you, the better your body can handle the detoxification and just be more secure in general.

                              One more thing I want to add, again I will assume that you are still developing just like me and hopefully working out aswell. In that case, take this opportunity to put on some fat, not to the point where it destroys your hormones, but enough so that you can go on a generational bulk, gain a lot of muscle, and handle the detox well.
                              Detoxing and building a great physique both take years to complete. So say you build a lot of muscle, and the detox is approaching its end as your body is getting more adapted to the diet, that should be the time to cut down a bit on the bodyfat. That way you will have spent say 4-5 years extremely productively from a physical perspective, and hit two birds with one stone. That is what I would call a proper body transformation.

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                                @jay
                                I dont really know if you should get obese, as that term can vary by some standards. Some people use BMI, others use bodyfat % and even then it can change. For example you will find folks claiming 25%+ bodyfat is obese, others will say 30%+. Anyhow, the reason for putting on fat on this diet is simply that it helps with the detox. I will explain down below.

                                Detox is short for detoxification, which is when your body is getting rid of toxins. As you will know toxins are stored in the fat. This is exactly why raw butter is so important on the diet. On top of it being so nutrisous, and so dense in energy, the most overlooked aspect of it is that its a fat source without toxins. Bone marrow and other animal fats are extremly nutrisous aswell, but thats where the toxins are stored, so you risk getting sick if you eat them unless they are cooked or your body is well adapted. Just like animals store toxins in their fat, we humans store toxins in our fat, so the more fat you carry on you, the better your body can handle the detoxification and just be more secure in general.

                                One more thing I want to add, again I will assume that you are still developing just like me and hopefully working out aswell. In that case, take this opportunity to put on some fat, not to the point where it destroys your hormones, but enough so that you can go on a generational bulk, gain a lot of muscle, and handle the detox well.
                                Detoxing and building a great physique both take years to complete. So say you build a lot of muscle, and the detox is approaching its end as your body is getting more adapted to the diet, that should be the time to cut down a bit on the bodyfat. That way you will have spent say 4-5 years extremely productively from a physical perspective, and hit two birds with one stone. That is what I would call a proper body transformation.

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                                @Chill it doesn’t destroy your hormones. Aim for 30%

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                                  I can't say you are essentially wrong about women being attracted to high test etc etc but do you even know why gaining weight is important for modern humans?

                                  Enjoy the raw milk and get healthy!

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                                    @jay
                                    I dont really know if you should get obese, as that term can vary by some standards. Some people use BMI, others use bodyfat % and even then it can change. For example you will find folks claiming 25%+ bodyfat is obese, others will say 30%+. Anyhow, the reason for putting on fat on this diet is simply that it helps with the detox. I will explain down below.

                                    Detox is short for detoxification, which is when your body is getting rid of toxins. As you will know toxins are stored in the fat. This is exactly why raw butter is so important on the diet. On top of it being so nutrisous, and so dense in energy, the most overlooked aspect of it is that its a fat source without toxins. Bone marrow and other animal fats are extremly nutrisous aswell, but thats where the toxins are stored, so you risk getting sick if you eat them unless they are cooked or your body is well adapted. Just like animals store toxins in their fat, we humans store toxins in our fat, so the more fat you carry on you, the better your body can handle the detoxification and just be more secure in general.

                                    One more thing I want to add, again I will assume that you are still developing just like me and hopefully working out aswell. In that case, take this opportunity to put on some fat, not to the point where it destroys your hormones, but enough so that you can go on a generational bulk, gain a lot of muscle, and handle the detox well.
                                    Detoxing and building a great physique both take years to complete. So say you build a lot of muscle, and the detox is approaching its end as your body is getting more adapted to the diet, that should be the time to cut down a bit on the bodyfat. That way you will have spent say 4-5 years extremely productively from a physical perspective, and hit two birds with one stone. That is what I would call a proper body transformation.

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                                    @Chill okay so the toxins are stored in the fat. And what now. When you use the fat for energy it will get released anyway. It’s the same reason people who eat seed oils can’t lose weight bc their body doesn’t want to toxins to be released or at least not quickly.

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                                      @Chill okay so the toxins are stored in the fat. And what now. When you use the fat for energy it will get released anyway. It’s the same reason people who eat seed oils can’t lose weight bc their body doesn’t want to toxins to be released or at least not quickly.

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                                      @Liverlover the fat escorts the toxins out, but it’s not very efficient and that’s why cheese trains are groundbreaking

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                                      • Elliott87E Elliott87

                                        @Chill it doesn’t destroy your hormones. Aim for 30%

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                                        @Elliott87 Yea but do you want to be at 30%? thats the question

                                        I mean have you seen Roms physique? he looks like a legit 30% and he's been on the primal diet for 8 years!
                                        20260517_235914(1).jpg

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                                          @Elliott87 Yea but do you want to be at 30%? thats the question

                                          I mean have you seen Roms physique? he looks like a legit 30% and he's been on the primal diet for 8 years!
                                          20260517_235914(1).jpg

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                                          @Jay lol he had a lot of water retention, also 120kg at 5”11

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