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@Shaprawy its not inherently bad, you probably have stress rings and physical activity is almost mandatory in that case.
The problem with gym is not the goatis fucking mindset of torturing yourself, the problem is the enviroment and the exercises you do.
The enviroment in most gyms are shit, they use bleach for cleaning up the floors, they recycle air in the gym, the lights are just fucking neon white most of the time and on top of that there is speakers everywhere banging shitty music not mentioning the emf exposure.
About the exercises, the exercises where your balancing muscles dont work (SBL'ers are really into this type of exercises) are shit imo, it stiffens your body up because you are doing unnatural (again, not in goatis sense, im talking about unnatural because you dont use your balancing muscles in msot machine exercises ) movements that put stress in your joints and just training for a specific type of motion.
Calisthenics would be a far better option.
Lastly, in the photo you gave as the dream phyqiue you can get closer to it but the slim waist and big frame is mostly bones, could be achieveable if your bone structure suits it.
@piss thank you for your detailed answer, i trained calisthenics for abt 3 months last year before the diet, but i didnt like it because with cali its harder to progressively overload than the gym, so how would i go with that? do i add some compound weight lifting here and there? also with the diet how much carbs should i eat?
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@zygomidus no, i remember being made fun of by my friends in primary school even tho i was the tallest in my class, my family sometimes would make jokes abt how skinny i am, since my growth spurt in late 2024 and start of 2025 i grew like crazy very fast (maybe 10cm in 4 months or smth like that) i was even skinnier at the time, i remember going into a family gathering and everybody was shocked and thought i had a disease or a parasites that eats my food they even told my mom to get me to the doctor to check me but fortunately she didnt, since then i gained some weight (from 61kg to 65) but im still skinny, SO YEAH I NEED TO GYMCEL
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@piss thank you for your detailed answer, i trained calisthenics for abt 3 months last year before the diet, but i didnt like it because with cali its harder to progressively overload than the gym, so how would i go with that? do i add some compound weight lifting here and there? also with the diet how much carbs should i eat?
@Shaprawy yeah some compound lifts would be nice, just put free weight (cable is optimal too) in the areas that you are not able to progress with calisthenics, like arm work or more specifically for your dream phyqiue the shoulders.
For pre gym 1-2 tbsp raw honey + 2-4 raw egg yolks (or raw butter/cream) 30-60 min before workout should be good, raw honey acts more as a enzyme most claim but i believe its a nice carb source
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@Shaprawy yeqh bro, you gotta cut more
@donaldrawtrump i dont have this muscle mass mr trump what do i do
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@Shaprawy yeah some compound lifts would be nice, just put free weight (cable is optimal too) in the areas that you are not able to progress with calisthenics, like arm work or more specifically for your dream phyqiue the shoulders.
For pre gym 1-2 tbsp raw honey + 2-4 raw egg yolks (or raw butter/cream) 30-60 min before workout should be good, raw honey acts more as a enzyme most claim but i believe its a nice carb source
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@zygomidus no, i remember being made fun of by my friends in primary school even tho i was the tallest in my class, my family sometimes would make jokes abt how skinny i am, since my growth spurt in late 2024 and start of 2025 i grew like crazy very fast (maybe 10cm in 4 months or smth like that) i was even skinnier at the time, i remember going into a family gathering and everybody was shocked and thought i had a disease or a parasites that eats my food they even told my mom to get me to the doctor to check me but fortunately she didnt, since then i gained some weight (from 61kg to 65) but im still skinny, SO YEAH I NEED TO GYMCEL
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calisthenics you’ll receive lots of vitamin d from the sun boosting your test
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A mix of weighted calisthenics+weights outdoors in the sun would be healthiest and best for hypertrophy.
- 2 sets x 4-6 reps /exercise
- full body 2-3x/week
- 3 minutes rest between each set
- 1-2 Reps in reserve (RIR) each set
- Use an app like HEVY to track progressive overload
Example (all done outside barefoot in sun if possible):
2x4-6 weighted pull-ups
2x4-6 weighted dips
2x4-6 barbell back squats
1x4-6 Chest supported upper back row
2x4-6 Nordic hamstring curls
1x4-6 lateral raises
1x4-6 tricep pushdowns
1x4-6 barbell biceps curls
1x4-6 leg extensions (optional)This will max out 95% of all the muscle mass you could possibly gain in your whole life. Remember train incredibly hard and heavy. That is the most important aspect for hypertrophy.
For nutrition you should not do anything special like carnivore or faceiq style high carb.
For max growth the most optimal diet to do by far is the recommend daily eating schedule #1 from the recipe for living without disease (with some extra raw milk in the milkshakes bc its super anabolic) and plan your workouts to be right before a big protein hit (like the milkshakes or meat meals) and you will be fucking massive combined with training hard.
(no recommendations but a small cycle of 300mg test with some hcg at the end of a cycle to maintain fertility never hurt anybody)
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how is the gym gonna help you when you are skinny. The only thing you gonna get is stretch marks and wrinkles.
@zygomidus i cant decide if ur low iq or trolling, maybe when i recover after training my muscles become bigger? have u ever seen any gym transformation nigga? how does gym only give stretch marks but not make me bigger? do u even know why does a stretch mark happen? are you a goatistard?
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A mix of weighted calisthenics+weights outdoors in the sun would be healthiest and best for hypertrophy.
- 2 sets x 4-6 reps /exercise
- full body 2-3x/week
- 3 minutes rest between each set
- 1-2 Reps in reserve (RIR) each set
- Use an app like HEVY to track progressive overload
Example (all done outside barefoot in sun if possible):
2x4-6 weighted pull-ups
2x4-6 weighted dips
2x4-6 barbell back squats
1x4-6 Chest supported upper back row
2x4-6 Nordic hamstring curls
1x4-6 lateral raises
1x4-6 tricep pushdowns
1x4-6 barbell biceps curls
1x4-6 leg extensions (optional)This will max out 95% of all the muscle mass you could possibly gain in your whole life. Remember train incredibly hard and heavy. That is the most important aspect for hypertrophy.
For nutrition you should not do anything special like carnivore or faceiq style high carb.
For max growth the most optimal diet to do by far is the recommend daily eating schedule #1 from the recipe for living without disease (with some extra raw milk in the milkshakes bc its super anabolic) and plan your workouts to be right before a big protein hit (like the milkshakes or meat meals) and you will be fucking massive combined with training hard.
(no recommendations but a small cycle of 300mg test with some hcg at the end of a cycle to maintain fertility never hurt anybody)
@Vibrance-ᛉ thx for helping appreciate it, if i stopped the low dose test cycle will i also lose my extra gains? because ofc i wont be on test my whole life, compared to if i didnt pin test will test make me have more "real" muslces?
TBE : total biochemical eggcellence
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@zygomidus i cant decide if ur low iq or trolling, maybe when i recover after training my muscles become bigger? have u ever seen any gym transformation nigga? how does gym only give stretch marks but not make me bigger? do u even know why does a stretch mark happen? are you a goatistard?
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@Vibrance-ᛉ thx for helping appreciate it, if i stopped the low dose test cycle will i also lose my extra gains? because ofc i wont be on test my whole life, compared to if i didnt pin test will test make me have more "real" muslces?
@Shaprawy Yeah, you'll usually keep some of the muscle you gained, but probably not all of it. Testosterone lets you build muscle faster than your natural hormone levels would, so once you stop and your hormones return to normal, you'll likely lose some size and strength
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@zygomidus im open to know what are them
@Shaprawy fix your bones (too late kinda) and digestive system (very possible). Lol the gym isn't gonna do anything for you. Do you think a girl who goes to the gym after a while looks more sexually attractive. That's what you gonna look like to girls if you understand what I mean.
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@Vibrance-ᛉ thx for helping appreciate it, if i stopped the low dose test cycle will i also lose my extra gains? because ofc i wont be on test my whole life, compared to if i didnt pin test will test make me have more "real" muslces?
@Shaprawy you won't lose any noticeable gains if you use hcg for your natural test and follow the eating schedule #1
even if you do you'll have grown so much it wouldn't matter. Let's say in a year you grow 35lbs of muscle on steroids and 15lbs naturally. If you go off cycle and youre unlucky enough to lose any (unlikely) you will maybe go down to 25 or 30lbs which is still far beyond your 10lbs naturally
- if youre on steroids one time its 2x easier to grow muscle off cycle for the rest of your life because of your body's newfound capabilities and adaptations and more myonuclei
Also the photo you provided of a goal physique is achievable in a few months. If you follow the eating schedule #1 and trained hard the way I listed you could look like Kinobody in a year or two naturally and in a year or less with the test
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i would say a high frequency split like fb 3x a week or eod if you can handle it. minimalist so 1 excerice per muscle 1 set 2-0 rir. increase muscle meat intake and drink some hydrating juices durning idk
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i want to gymcel on the diet very bad, ik ppl in the community like to demonize the gym but im only here to increase my life quality since im skinny for my height (65kg on 186cm) and being more physically aesthetic will increase my life cahnces, also i saw ppl in the primal community saying that u can gymcel while mantaining ur health and longevity, so how do i go about it?
how do i minimize stress as much as possible?
how much do i increase carb?
how many times should i train a week and how long a training session should be?
if anybody here did gymcel on the diet how much weight did u gain first 6 months?
also since social media is obsessed with putting super high standards and making slaves body dismorphic, is this physique realistic? with a little bit bigger arms
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i want to gymcel on the diet very bad, ik ppl in the community like to demonize the gym but im only here to increase my life quality since im skinny for my height (65kg on 186cm) and being more physically aesthetic will increase my life cahnces, also i saw ppl in the primal community saying that u can gymcel while mantaining ur health and longevity, so how do i go about it?
how do i minimize stress as much as possible?
how much do i increase carb?
how many times should i train a week and how long a training session should be?
if anybody here did gymcel on the diet how much weight did u gain first 6 months?
also since social media is obsessed with putting super high standards and making slaves body dismorphic, is this physique realistic? with a little bit bigger arms
@Shaprawy
According to aajonus you can build decent muscles with
meat meals + lube formula.
also spam milkshakes and milkoptional but recommend: 35 minutes after your meat meal with lube eat cheese + honey to help with mineral absorption (helps strengthen bones)
You can include carbs like potatos 1-2x a month but combine with a lot of fat and raw honey
