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The first BotB entry is about omega-3s, which, like any other molecule, has never been proven to exist. The high meat guide was actually about true health and nature, but it seems this forum with only normies in it is headed to become a normie forum with normie content. Why did I fool myself? The normie knowing about raw meat doesn't make him any less of a normie. You can take this post in two ways: either get offended or actually extract the spirit I tried to convey.
@love Do we seriously not think that nutrients exist anymore? You don't think that there's anything we derive from the foods we consume? That sounds a bit religious and I would like something to support your claim. I would consider trying to critically think for myself and not copy all of S3rvige's ideas verbatim. You should stop acting like you're simply higher up. Not very appropriate behaviour. If you don't believe in biochemistry entirely, how can you support any of aajonus' ideas?
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Because how humans have made inventions that manipulate molecules and chemicals unnaturally if we they are not true?
How did we make man-made materials like Nylon, Teflon? How did semiconductors which your technology is made from work if there is no knowledge on chemicals, which they are made of in highly specific man-made way. How does 100% synthetic drugs like Fentanyl or Paracetamol work. Harmful: Yes, Do they work like they should, yes, in highly unnatural way.
humanity has built an entire modern world by intentionally designing, synthesizing, and manipulating specific molecular structures in ways that are completely artificial and predictable. If molecules weren't real, observable, and controllable at that level, none of these inventions could work reliably, let alone be mass-produced at industrial scales.
We want to live!
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Because how humans have made inventions that manipulate molecules and chemicals unnaturally if we they are not true?
How did we make man-made materials like Nylon, Teflon? How did semiconductors which your technology is made from work if there is no knowledge on chemicals, which they are made of in highly specific man-made way. How does 100% synthetic drugs like Fentanyl or Paracetamol work. Harmful: Yes, Do they work like they should, yes, in highly unnatural way.
humanity has built an entire modern world by intentionally designing, synthesizing, and manipulating specific molecular structures in ways that are completely artificial and predictable. If molecules weren't real, observable, and controllable at that level, none of these inventions could work reliably, let alone be mass-produced at industrial scales.
@Rabbi Yea, I think this ideology of science being fake is a method of saying "I'm better than you, I don't believe in this normie crap" when it's just objectively true. You can see the results of it. Even when Goatis says that shit he's being metaphorical in the way that science doesn't exist to a natural human. I think it's being taken a bit too literally.
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The first BotB entry is about omega-3s, which, like any other molecule, has never been proven to exist. The high meat guide was actually about true health and nature, but it seems this forum with only normies in it is headed to become a normie forum with normie content. Why did I fool myself? The normie knowing about raw meat doesn't make him any less of a normie. You can take this post in two ways: either get offended or actually extract the spirit I tried to convey.
@love Saying “molecules don’t exist” isn’t insight, it’s conceptual nihilism. Molecules are models that reliably predict biological outcomes. If fatty acids didn’t exist as functional entities, membranes, hormones, inflammation, and neural signaling wouldn’t respond consistently to diet. They do. Reproducibly.
You can argue molecular language is an abstraction of deeper physical reality. That doesn’t invalidate it. Denying molecules while advocating raw animal foods is incoherent, because the benefits of raw meat and fat depend on their biochemical structure.
Critiquing omega-3 discourse on oxidation, balance, or industrial processing is valid. Claiming omega-3s “don’t exist” is not. It destroys the explanatory framework that makes raw nutrition intelligible in the first place.
The "normie" framing is just posturing. Understanding mechanisms doesn’t make someone less aligned with nature; it makes them harder to fool. Nature selects for accuracy, not vibes.
If the point is "don’t confuse models with reality," fine. If the point is "reject explanation entirely," then there’s no basis left for claiming anything about health at all.
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@Rabbi Yea, I think this ideology of science being fake is a method of saying "I'm better than you, I don't believe in this normie crap" when it's just objectively true. You can see the results of it. Even when Goatis says that shit he's being metaphorical in the way that science doesn't exist to a natural human. I think it's being taken a bit too literally.
@Swansven I think goatis means it similiarly like "Money doesnt exist", but he still believes that money is useful.
Like as idea Goatis thinks "Molecules dont exist", but he means not in the way we see them like those 3D animations or the names we give them. They are artist made. Ofcourse we can't exactly understand how they look as we are limited by our senses.
The 3D animations or names like "omega-3" are simplifications that help us predict behavior.
We can distinquish chemicals by using tools as best as we can and the proof of that is the "fact" we can manipulate chemicals and produce inventions, even if the underlying "what they really are" remains inaccessible or unknowable in a direct way.
So yes they are not the 100% truth as we as humanity have not reached there yet.
ofcourse i deny the effectiveness of "omega-3" pills but I still accept the abstract idea about it and how it structures the brain and other live parts.
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Make comprehensive and detailed counter argument against his post then debunking everything or overall his idea.
I would appreciate you making very detailed post explaining why any molecule doesnt exist. How the human body then works?
@Rabbi said in
explaining why any molecule doesnt exist
I am not saying they don't exist; I said that they have never been proven to exist. Nobody can know that because no one can sense it.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
You maybe heard goatis say "any molecule doesnt exist". Nothing wrong in saying that but you need to give proof.
It should be the other way around; prove that molecules do exist.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
How the human body then works?
We don't need an explanation to know that we need to eat animals in order to create for animal material.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
Do we seriously not think that nutrients exist anymore?
Prove the existence of retinol, then.
One explanation could be that the satanists who rule the world had demons and evil spirits and such tell them all this secret information: that the body is made out of cells and that these things called retinol, folate, biotin, etc., exist. But we can not know this.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
You don't think that there's anything we derive from the foods we consume?
I think, that all things are made out of tiny elements and that these elements can be rearranged to creat enew buildings, similar to Lego.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
how can you support any of aajonus' ideas?
He was a reptillian freemason to whom occult knowledge was revealed. He the "mingling good with bad" type. Raw meat is obviously of the good, vegetable juices are of the bad. Just my believe and you dont need proof for a blieve btw.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
You should stop acting like you're simply higher up.
You dont know me.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
How did semiconductors which your technology is made
Invisible energy channeled thorugh rocks.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
Because how humans have made inventions that manipulate molecules and chemicals unnaturally if we they are not true?
How did we make man-made materials like Nylon, Teflon?
Occult knowledge revealed by demons. Again, I cant know this, its just a belief of mine, thats why it is stupid to talk and act like it is proven to be true.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
humanity has built an entire modern world by intentionally designing, synthesizing, and manipulating specific molecular structures in ways that are completely artificial and predictable. If molecules weren't real, observable, and controllable at that level, none of these inventions could work reliably, let alone be mass-produced at industrial scales.
Humanity has built nothing, its all the works of those who rule the world. Just like no scientist actually discovered something but just reaed about it in a book.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
science
Science is just a religous system of believe. People nowadays say "the people of the dark ages were afraid of ghost and witches, haha they mustve been so stupid", meanwhile they believe that invisible substances exist without ever thinking about it.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Saying “molecules don’t exist” isn’t insight
I dont say that they dont exist, Im saying that you can prove O3s to exist in this specific case.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Molecules are models that reliably predict biological outcomes.
There are a million other possible explanations.
"Eat less O6 and more O3" is a delusional take. How would you even know what people ate a huundred years ago.
Love knows no hate. Know Jesus and forget hatred.
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@Rabbi said in
explaining why any molecule doesnt exist
I am not saying they don't exist; I said that they have never been proven to exist. Nobody can know that because no one can sense it.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
You maybe heard goatis say "any molecule doesnt exist". Nothing wrong in saying that but you need to give proof.
It should be the other way around; prove that molecules do exist.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
How the human body then works?
We don't need an explanation to know that we need to eat animals in order to create for animal material.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
Do we seriously not think that nutrients exist anymore?
Prove the existence of retinol, then.
One explanation could be that the satanists who rule the world had demons and evil spirits and such tell them all this secret information: that the body is made out of cells and that these things called retinol, folate, biotin, etc., exist. But we can not know this.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
You don't think that there's anything we derive from the foods we consume?
I think, that all things are made out of tiny elements and that these elements can be rearranged to creat enew buildings, similar to Lego.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
how can you support any of aajonus' ideas?
He was a reptillian freemason to whom occult knowledge was revealed. He the "mingling good with bad" type. Raw meat is obviously of the good, vegetable juices are of the bad. Just my believe and you dont need proof for a blieve btw.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
You should stop acting like you're simply higher up.
You dont know me.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
How did semiconductors which your technology is made
Invisible energy channeled thorugh rocks.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
Because how humans have made inventions that manipulate molecules and chemicals unnaturally if we they are not true?
How did we make man-made materials like Nylon, Teflon?
Occult knowledge revealed by demons. Again, I cant know this, its just a belief of mine, thats why it is stupid to talk and act like it is proven to be true.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
humanity has built an entire modern world by intentionally designing, synthesizing, and manipulating specific molecular structures in ways that are completely artificial and predictable. If molecules weren't real, observable, and controllable at that level, none of these inventions could work reliably, let alone be mass-produced at industrial scales.
Humanity has built nothing, its all the works of those who rule the world. Just like no scientist actually discovered something but just reaed about it in a book.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
science
Science is just a religous system of believe. People nowadays say "the people of the dark ages were afraid of ghost and witches, haha they mustve been so stupid", meanwhile they believe that invisible substances exist without ever thinking about it.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Saying “molecules don’t exist” isn’t insight
I dont say that they dont exist, Im saying that you can prove O3s to exist in this specific case.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Molecules are models that reliably predict biological outcomes.
There are a million other possible explanations.
"Eat less O6 and more O3" is a delusional take. How would you even know what people ate a huundred years ago.
@love You’re shifting the claim. First it was "omega-3s don’t exist." Now it’s "they haven’t been proven to exist because we can’t sense them." That’s not a serious standard of proof, by that logic, pathogens, radiation, gravity, and electricity are all unknowable too.
Proof in biology is repeatable causal prediction. When you're isolating, removing, adding, or altering a specific fatty acid reliably changes membrane fluidity, inflammation markers, neural signalling, and development in the same direction every time, you’re no longer talking about vague "elements like Lego" you’re referring to a specific functional entity. Call it omega-3 or call it X, the structure - function relationship still holds.
Saying "there are a million other explanations" without naming a single one that makes equally precise predictions is not you being skeptical, you're refusing to explain further. You don’t get to reject molecular models while still making dietary claims, because those claims depend on differential effects of food. If nothing specific exists, then raw meat can’t be considered "good" either, it’s just your reaction
And "we don’t need explanations, we just need to eat animals" is fine as a personal heuristic, but the moment you argue why something works or criticise omega-3 advice, you’ve already entered the explanatory domain you’re pretending to reject.
"Eat less O6 and more O3" can be argued against on oxidation, sourcing, processing, or context but denying the category entirely while relying on its effects is simply incoherent. You’re not rejecting models you’re using them selectively while larping not to
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What I mean is this "looksmax org guide style post" could aswell be posted on tiktok, do you understand what I mean?
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I mean what do you even want me to say to this? You're shaky on whether or not molecules are real but believe in demons and spirits. And then you go and say that you believe everything is made of tiny elements. You don't believe in science, as a whole? You say that aajonus was a reptilian freemason because he suggested juicing vegetables. You're entitled to those opinions, I suppose. I don't think you should have any takes on scientific matters, though. -
@Rabbi said in
explaining why any molecule doesnt exist
I am not saying they don't exist; I said that they have never been proven to exist. Nobody can know that because no one can sense it.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
You maybe heard goatis say "any molecule doesnt exist". Nothing wrong in saying that but you need to give proof.
It should be the other way around; prove that molecules do exist.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
How the human body then works?
We don't need an explanation to know that we need to eat animals in order to create for animal material.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
Do we seriously not think that nutrients exist anymore?
Prove the existence of retinol, then.
One explanation could be that the satanists who rule the world had demons and evil spirits and such tell them all this secret information: that the body is made out of cells and that these things called retinol, folate, biotin, etc., exist. But we can not know this.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
You don't think that there's anything we derive from the foods we consume?
I think, that all things are made out of tiny elements and that these elements can be rearranged to creat enew buildings, similar to Lego.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
how can you support any of aajonus' ideas?
He was a reptillian freemason to whom occult knowledge was revealed. He the "mingling good with bad" type. Raw meat is obviously of the good, vegetable juices are of the bad. Just my believe and you dont need proof for a blieve btw.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
You should stop acting like you're simply higher up.
You dont know me.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
How did semiconductors which your technology is made
Invisible energy channeled thorugh rocks.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
Because how humans have made inventions that manipulate molecules and chemicals unnaturally if we they are not true?
How did we make man-made materials like Nylon, Teflon?
Occult knowledge revealed by demons. Again, I cant know this, its just a belief of mine, thats why it is stupid to talk and act like it is proven to be true.
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
humanity has built an entire modern world by intentionally designing, synthesizing, and manipulating specific molecular structures in ways that are completely artificial and predictable. If molecules weren't real, observable, and controllable at that level, none of these inventions could work reliably, let alone be mass-produced at industrial scales.
Humanity has built nothing, its all the works of those who rule the world. Just like no scientist actually discovered something but just reaed about it in a book.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
science
Science is just a religous system of believe. People nowadays say "the people of the dark ages were afraid of ghost and witches, haha they mustve been so stupid", meanwhile they believe that invisible substances exist without ever thinking about it.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Saying “molecules don’t exist” isn’t insight
I dont say that they dont exist, Im saying that you can prove O3s to exist in this specific case.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Molecules are models that reliably predict biological outcomes.
There are a million other possible explanations.
"Eat less O6 and more O3" is a delusional take. How would you even know what people ate a huundred years ago.
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@love You’re shifting the claim. First it was "omega-3s don’t exist." Now it’s "they haven’t been proven to exist because we can’t sense them." That’s not a serious standard of proof, by that logic, pathogens, radiation, gravity, and electricity are all unknowable too.
Proof in biology is repeatable causal prediction. When you're isolating, removing, adding, or altering a specific fatty acid reliably changes membrane fluidity, inflammation markers, neural signalling, and development in the same direction every time, you’re no longer talking about vague "elements like Lego" you’re referring to a specific functional entity. Call it omega-3 or call it X, the structure - function relationship still holds.
Saying "there are a million other explanations" without naming a single one that makes equally precise predictions is not you being skeptical, you're refusing to explain further. You don’t get to reject molecular models while still making dietary claims, because those claims depend on differential effects of food. If nothing specific exists, then raw meat can’t be considered "good" either, it’s just your reaction
And "we don’t need explanations, we just need to eat animals" is fine as a personal heuristic, but the moment you argue why something works or criticise omega-3 advice, you’ve already entered the explanatory domain you’re pretending to reject.
"Eat less O6 and more O3" can be argued against on oxidation, sourcing, processing, or context but denying the category entirely while relying on its effects is simply incoherent. You’re not rejecting models you’re using them selectively while larping not to
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You’re shifting the claim.
I am not? Read again
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
pathogens
cant be sensed, dont exist, tell me about one actual pathogen that ever made you sick
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
radiation
Radiation can easily be sensed.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
gravity
Gravity can easily be sensed.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
electricity
Can easily be sensed also.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Proof in biology is repeatable causal prediction. When you're isolating, removing, adding, or altering a specific fatty acid reliably changes membrane fluidity, inflammation markers, neural signalling, and development in the same direction every time, you’re no longer talking about vague "elements like Lego" you’re referring to a specific functional entity. Call it omega-3 or call it X, the structure - function relationship still holds.
And todays sponsor of this knowledge has been the gouvernment.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Saying "there are a million other explanations" without naming a single one that makes equally precise predictions is not you being skeptical, you're refusing to explain further. You don’t get to reject molecular models while still making dietary claims, because those claims depend on differential effects of food. If nothing specific exists, then raw meat can’t be considered "good" either, it’s just your reaction
You can come up with any theory on the spot. Its just like writing a book, any story.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
"Eat less O6 and more O3" can be argued against on oxidation, sourcing, processing, or context but denying the category entirely while relying on its effects is simply incoherent. You’re not rejecting models you’re using them selectively while larping not to
You talk about science, explanation and proof but cant proof your own believe?
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
at least you have place to discuss, without getting shut down and made fun of instantly.
At least we have a functioning website, reddit such an actual cancerous experience to browse.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
I mean what do you even want me to say to this? You're shaky on whether or not molecules are real but believe in demons and spirits. And then you go and say that you believe everything is made of tiny elements. You don't believe in science, as a whole? You say that aajonus was a reptilian freemason because he suggested juicing vegetables. You're entitled to those opinions, I suppose. I don't think you should have any takes on scientific matters, though.
What I said was really clear. Pay more attention while reading. You can literally see Aajonus Slit eyes in some pictures, his father was a real freemason, you can read that on Jewipedia. His name reads as "Eye on us" Von der Planet (of the planet)". If you dont believe in spirits and spells, well ok.
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@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You’re shifting the claim.
I am not? Read again
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
pathogens
cant be sensed, dont exist, tell me about one actual pathogen that ever made you sick
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
radiation
Radiation can easily be sensed.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
gravity
Gravity can easily be sensed.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
electricity
Can easily be sensed also.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Proof in biology is repeatable causal prediction. When you're isolating, removing, adding, or altering a specific fatty acid reliably changes membrane fluidity, inflammation markers, neural signalling, and development in the same direction every time, you’re no longer talking about vague "elements like Lego" you’re referring to a specific functional entity. Call it omega-3 or call it X, the structure - function relationship still holds.
And todays sponsor of this knowledge has been the gouvernment.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Saying "there are a million other explanations" without naming a single one that makes equally precise predictions is not you being skeptical, you're refusing to explain further. You don’t get to reject molecular models while still making dietary claims, because those claims depend on differential effects of food. If nothing specific exists, then raw meat can’t be considered "good" either, it’s just your reaction
You can come up with any theory on the spot. Its just like writing a book, any story.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
"Eat less O6 and more O3" can be argued against on oxidation, sourcing, processing, or context but denying the category entirely while relying on its effects is simply incoherent. You’re not rejecting models you’re using them selectively while larping not to
You talk about science, explanation and proof but cant proof your own believe?
@Rabbi said in This forum is already GG:
at least you have place to discuss, without getting shut down and made fun of instantly.
At least we have a functioning website, reddit such an actual cancerous experience to browse.
@Swansven said in This forum is already GG:
I mean what do you even want me to say to this? You're shaky on whether or not molecules are real but believe in demons and spirits. And then you go and say that you believe everything is made of tiny elements. You don't believe in science, as a whole? You say that aajonus was a reptilian freemason because he suggested juicing vegetables. You're entitled to those opinions, I suppose. I don't think you should have any takes on scientific matters, though.
What I said was really clear. Pay more attention while reading. You can literally see Aajonus Slit eyes in some pictures, his father was a real freemason, you can read that on Jewipedia. His name reads as "Eye on us" Von der Planet (of the planet)". If you dont believe in spirits and spells, well ok.
@love You are not engaging with the argument. you’re ignoring all standards of knowledge and then pretending it’s skepticism.
Your criterion is "direct human sensation." That’s not epistemology, it’s solipsism. By that rule, pathogens, electrons, genes, anaesthesia, neurotransmitters, and ultrasound are all unknowable unless they announce themselves to your senses. Yet they produce repeatable, independent, causal effects. That’s the standard. Not just vibes or authority.
Saying “a pathogen never made me sick” is irrelevant. Individual anecdote doesn’t negate population-level causality... That’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because you personally didn’t fall over today.
"Government-sponsored knowledge" is not a valid rebuttal. You're creating an excuse to avoid specifying an alternative mechanism. If omega-3 effects are just "stories" then name one competing explanation that predicts the same directional changes across membranes, inflammation, development, and neurology. You don't. And you won't. Because you can’t.
You also contradict yourself repeatedly:
You deny molecules as knowable
Then assert “tiny elements rearranged like Lego”
Then make dietary claims about “good” vs “bad” foods
Those claims require differential structure/function effects. You can’t reject models while freeloading on their conclusions.
You’re free to hold metaphysical beliefs. But once you start making claims about health, diet, or causality, you’ve entered the explanatory domain, whether you like it or not. At that point, "it’s all unknowable" isn’t depth or intelligence. You've resigned and you're hiding behind a lack of cohesive knowledge.
This isn’t anti-science vs pro-nature argument. It’s coherence vs incoherence argument. You are the latter.
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@love You are not engaging with the argument. you’re ignoring all standards of knowledge and then pretending it’s skepticism.
Your criterion is "direct human sensation." That’s not epistemology, it’s solipsism. By that rule, pathogens, electrons, genes, anaesthesia, neurotransmitters, and ultrasound are all unknowable unless they announce themselves to your senses. Yet they produce repeatable, independent, causal effects. That’s the standard. Not just vibes or authority.
Saying “a pathogen never made me sick” is irrelevant. Individual anecdote doesn’t negate population-level causality... That’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because you personally didn’t fall over today.
"Government-sponsored knowledge" is not a valid rebuttal. You're creating an excuse to avoid specifying an alternative mechanism. If omega-3 effects are just "stories" then name one competing explanation that predicts the same directional changes across membranes, inflammation, development, and neurology. You don't. And you won't. Because you can’t.
You also contradict yourself repeatedly:
You deny molecules as knowable
Then assert “tiny elements rearranged like Lego”
Then make dietary claims about “good” vs “bad” foods
Those claims require differential structure/function effects. You can’t reject models while freeloading on their conclusions.
You’re free to hold metaphysical beliefs. But once you start making claims about health, diet, or causality, you’ve entered the explanatory domain, whether you like it or not. At that point, "it’s all unknowable" isn’t depth or intelligence. You've resigned and you're hiding behind a lack of cohesive knowledge.
This isn’t anti-science vs pro-nature argument. It’s coherence vs incoherence argument. You are the latter.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Your criterion is "direct human sensation." That’s not epistemology, it’s solipsism. By that rule, pathogens, electrons, genes, anaesthesia, neurotransmitters, and ultrasound are all unknowable unless they announce themselves to your senses. Yet they produce repeatable, independent, causal effects. That’s the standard. Not just vibes or authority.
All of this is speculation, you dont know if any of the things you mentioned exist. You dont know whats the cause for the repeatable observations. I never wrote a pathogen never made me sick btw.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
"Government-sponsored knowledge" is not a valid rebuttal. You're creating an excuse to avoid specifying an alternative mechanism. If omega-3 effects are just "stories" then name one competing explanation that predicts the same directional changes across membranes, inflammation, development, and neurology. You don't. And you won't. Because you can’t.
I didnt only mean that O3s are stories but inflammaiton, neurology etc to be stories as well
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You also contradict yourself repeatedly:
You deny molecules as knowable
Then assert “tiny elements rearranged like Lego”
This doesnt contradict itself
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You’re free to hold metaphysical beliefs. But once you start making claims about health, diet, or causality, you’ve entered the explanatory domain, whether you like it or not. At that point, "it’s all unknowable" isn’t depth or intelligence. You've resigned and you're hiding behind a lack of cohesive knowledge.
Metaphysics is just as explainable as physics
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
This isn’t anti-science vs pro-nature argument. It’s coherence vs incoherence argument. You are the latter.
This claim is based on nothing
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@love You are not engaging with the argument. you’re ignoring all standards of knowledge and then pretending it’s skepticism.
Your criterion is "direct human sensation." That’s not epistemology, it’s solipsism. By that rule, pathogens, electrons, genes, anaesthesia, neurotransmitters, and ultrasound are all unknowable unless they announce themselves to your senses. Yet they produce repeatable, independent, causal effects. That’s the standard. Not just vibes or authority.
Saying “a pathogen never made me sick” is irrelevant. Individual anecdote doesn’t negate population-level causality... That’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because you personally didn’t fall over today.
"Government-sponsored knowledge" is not a valid rebuttal. You're creating an excuse to avoid specifying an alternative mechanism. If omega-3 effects are just "stories" then name one competing explanation that predicts the same directional changes across membranes, inflammation, development, and neurology. You don't. And you won't. Because you can’t.
You also contradict yourself repeatedly:
You deny molecules as knowable
Then assert “tiny elements rearranged like Lego”
Then make dietary claims about “good” vs “bad” foods
Those claims require differential structure/function effects. You can’t reject models while freeloading on their conclusions.
You’re free to hold metaphysical beliefs. But once you start making claims about health, diet, or causality, you’ve entered the explanatory domain, whether you like it or not. At that point, "it’s all unknowable" isn’t depth or intelligence. You've resigned and you're hiding behind a lack of cohesive knowledge.
This isn’t anti-science vs pro-nature argument. It’s coherence vs incoherence argument. You are the latter.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You are not engaging with the argument. you’re ignoring all standards of knowledge and then pretending it’s skepticism.
What is the argument you are referring to? Your beloved standards of knowledge are based on the institutions build by jews.
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@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You are not engaging with the argument. you’re ignoring all standards of knowledge and then pretending it’s skepticism.
What is the argument you are referring to? Your beloved standards of knowledge are based on the institutions build by jews.
@love You’re backpedaling now.
You said "pathogens can’t be sensed, don’t exist" and then challenged me to "tell me about one actual pathogen that ever made you sick."
That statement only makes sense if you’re asserting that pathogens have never caused illness. Now you’re pretending you didn’t imply that because you didn’t write the sentence word-for-word. That’s not an argument, it’s word lawyering.Same pattern everywhere in your replies:
You deny that anything can be known.
Then you make strong claims anyway.
When pushed, you retreat to "it’s all unknowable."That’s false skepticism as it's refusal to commit to any position while still attacking others.
Saying “everything is speculation” doesn’t make your view deeper or more natural. It just makes it unfalsifiable.
Under your logic:nothing causes anything,
no food does anything specific,
raw meat isn’t "good" plants aren’t "bad"
and no lifestyle claim can be defended or criticised.Yet you still make those claims.
You can’t have it both ways.
Either:
effects have causes we can compare and reason about, or
everything is unknowable and all diet talk is just personal feeling.If you choose option 2, fine, but then stop pretending your views are truer, more natural, or more aligned with reality than anyone else’s.
You currently are not defending raw primal living. You are hiding behind "unknowable" to avoid being challenged.
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@love You’re backpedaling now.
You said "pathogens can’t be sensed, don’t exist" and then challenged me to "tell me about one actual pathogen that ever made you sick."
That statement only makes sense if you’re asserting that pathogens have never caused illness. Now you’re pretending you didn’t imply that because you didn’t write the sentence word-for-word. That’s not an argument, it’s word lawyering.Same pattern everywhere in your replies:
You deny that anything can be known.
Then you make strong claims anyway.
When pushed, you retreat to "it’s all unknowable."That’s false skepticism as it's refusal to commit to any position while still attacking others.
Saying “everything is speculation” doesn’t make your view deeper or more natural. It just makes it unfalsifiable.
Under your logic:nothing causes anything,
no food does anything specific,
raw meat isn’t "good" plants aren’t "bad"
and no lifestyle claim can be defended or criticised.Yet you still make those claims.
You can’t have it both ways.
Either:
effects have causes we can compare and reason about, or
everything is unknowable and all diet talk is just personal feeling.If you choose option 2, fine, but then stop pretending your views are truer, more natural, or more aligned with reality than anyone else’s.
You currently are not defending raw primal living. You are hiding behind "unknowable" to avoid being challenged.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You’re backpedaling now.
"I never wrote a pathogen never made me sick btw." Did I ever say that? Come on, I am backpedalling arent I? Show me where I said that.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
You deny that anything can be known.
Then you make strong claims anyway.
When pushed, you retreat to "it’s all unknowable."Not specific, meaningless
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
That’s false skepticism as it's refusal to commit to any position while still attacking others.
My position has been the same from the begnning of this convo, I claim that the molecular model is a theory and cant be proven and because of that shouldnt be used as explanation of things.
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
Saying “everything is speculation” doesn’t make your view deeper or more natural. It just makes it unfalsifiable.
Under your logic:nothing causes anything,
no food does anything specific,
raw meat isn’t "good" plants aren’t "bad"
and no lifestyle claim can be defended or criticised.This has nothing to do with anything I said, quote one of my takes and then talk about that specifically like I do
@leo said in This forum is already GG:
effects have causes we can compare and reason about, or
everything is unknowable and all diet talk is just personal feeling.If you choose option 2, fine, but then stop pretending your views are truer, more natural, or more aligned with reality than anyone else’s.
You currently are not defending raw primal living. You are hiding behind "unknowable" to avoid being challenged.
reading comprehension deficit
