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  • ChillC Chill

    @Liverlover

    Goatis is kinda right bruh ppl who train a lot look exhausted bc their body literally hasn’t felt completely at rest in ages.

    goatis says wild stuff man take it with pinch of salt, this is also not true you should feel fantasitc when training. many people report more confidence and mental health and ofcourse better physical form. you dont look exhausted from a simply working out bro and if you do there are bigger problems for you.

    On top of that traditional weightlifting makes your front and back chain inbalanced (front becomes dominant instead of naturally it would be back chain dom).

    spoken like someone who doesnt know weightlifting
    traditional weightlifting especially olympic is very posterior chain dominant, strongman is posterior chain dominant, powerlifting is super niche down but still have big emphasis on legs and glutes
    this happens only in dudes that chest press and do nothing else that is "wrong" ok but then its a problem with the people not the workout

    Essentially it’s bad posture and I would argue that posture is way more important than muscle mass.

    i see your point, but muscle mass helps you with posture you can correct bad posture by working out back and neck muscles

    Also if you train a lot of isolation your muscles will develop weirdly imbalance like huge arms relative to body or small calves with big quads but also small hams and glutes. Or big biceps and triceps and small forearms. Also neck size gives away that you are not actually muscular bc high test but just frauding.

    what? isolations can be used to prevent and fix imbalances like rear delts relative to front delts or side delts. do you know the spider physique its imbalance between limbs and torso which happens if you dont use some isolations.
    also wdym "frauding". you got more muscular. the muscle is there. you arent pretending
    and high test helps you get muscular but it doesnt not by itself make you muscular, unless you inject roids

    I think goatis is right bro why be permanently stressed slightly for smth that literally starts going away the week you stop training.

    muscles fades away very very slowly so if you "lose" your gains in a few weeks then you didnt have many gains to start with. there are many reasons to workout you are stronger, resist injury better, better for hormones, better longevity etc. another dude said that women get more attracted to you which is true

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    goatis says wild stuff man take it with pinch of salt, this is also not true you should feel fantasitc when training. many people report more confidence and mental health and ofcourse better physical form. you dont look exhausted from a simply working out bro and if you do there are bigger problems for you.

    I know bro hes kinda gone crazy bc of social isolation. Can’t argue gym is stressful tho.

    spoken like someone who doesnt know weightlifting
    traditional weightlifting especially olympic is very posterior chain dominant, strongman is posterior chain dominant, powerlifting is super niche down but still have big emphasis on legs and glutes
    this happens only in dudes that chest press and do nothing else that is "wrong" ok but then its a problem with the people not the workout

    Trust me bro even pullups are front chain. Any sitting exercise is wrong. Squats are wrong. Training chest if your mid traps are weak is gonna make the imbalance bigger. I see people doing rows but their mid traps are so weak that they shrug their shoulders and the upper traps get even stiffer.
    My point is that as long as you are in this “wrong pattern” you might be able to train very lightly in the “right pattern” but as soon as it gets heavy you will take the least friction route and you will make the wrong pattern even wronger. If there is imbalance there is no point in training both sides bc the imbalance will stay the same or get worse. Only if your back chain is absolutely dominating your front you can train front and back chain and both will get stronger but back chain will stay dominant, you see?

    i see your point, but muscle mass helps you with posture you can correct bad posture by working out back and neck muscles

    yes but only if you do it right (very light and takes a lot of concentration at first) and it doesnt balance out if you train chest as well.

    what? isolations can be used to prevent and fix imbalances like rear delts relative to front delts or side delts. do you know the spider physique its imbalance between limbs and torso which happens if you dont use some isolations.

    Yes i agree on this isolation can be useful for fixing imbalance especially at first if you dont have a lot of mental access to the muscle.

    also wdym "frauding". you got more muscular. the muscle is there. you arent pretending

    imagine some guy with a super femine face but super jacked. Wouldnt look right would it?

    and high test helps you get musculair but it doesnt not by itself make you muscular, unless you inject roids

    Yeah i guess you just get more muscle from everyday movement

    muscles fades away very very slowly so if you "lose" your gains in a few weeks then you didnt have many gains to start with. there are many reasons to workout you are stronger, resist injury better, better for hormones, better longevity etc. another dude said that women get more attracted to you which is true

    Up to a point I agree

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    • V Vladimir

      @Liverlover Well the dude is fat, I think he does powerlifting. Based on some research on hyoid bone position that I did, neck chintuck-curls actually prevent that sagging/double chin from happening

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      @Vladimir well how so?

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      • ChillC Chill

        @Liverlover this opinion is straight buns bro
        The fact that you get stronger and can progressivly overload is because you healed, its evidence you healed.

        First you compensate then you overcompensate, now u got a bit bigger and a bit stronger.

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        @Chill no you are robbing Paul to pay sam

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          @Chill no you are robbing Paul to pay sam

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          @Elliott87
          explain that then
          you mean that if you did not workout or do sports during your childhood or teenage years you would have grown taller or have better facial development or thicker bones? or any other benefits?

          people out here spewing goatis propaganda

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          • LiverloverL Liverlover

            @Vladimir well how so?

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            @Liverlover Anectodal evidence, strengthening suprahyoid muscles elevates the hyoid bone because it's supported by the muscles. In Josh's case I don't really know what caused his double chin nor do I care, but I think he's just fat. I don't remember the name of the study but look up ' fast mouth opening hyoid elderly', the Ai should link the study

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              @Liverlover Anectodal evidence, strengthening suprahyoid muscles elevates the hyoid bone because it's supported by the muscles. In Josh's case I don't really know what caused his double chin nor do I care, but I think he's just fat. I don't remember the name of the study but look up ' fast mouth opening hyoid elderly', the Ai should link the study

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              @Vladimir about the double chin bro it could be roids
              first time hearing abt josh but it could be roids.
              some bodybuilders that compete professionally have double chins even at 4% bf cuz the muscles in there face get overdeveloped from test and hgh.
              conor mcgregors jaw is likely affected by riods

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                Screenshot_20260531_193344_com_android_chrome_ChromeTabbedActivity.jpg
                That's him. Apparently he never admitted to taking steroids, looks natty. But yea you can see his double chin

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                  Screenshot_20260531_193344_com_android_chrome_ChromeTabbedActivity.jpg
                  That's him. Apparently he never admitted to taking steroids, looks natty. But yea you can see his double chin

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                  @Vladimir looks natty
                  you seen the guys arms?!

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                  • ChillC Chill

                    @Vladimir looks natty
                    you seen the guys arms?!

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                    @Chill lol but the guy trained for 20 years, I would say it's very high-end natty dad strength type build

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                    • V Vladimir

                      Screenshot_20260531_193344_com_android_chrome_ChromeTabbedActivity.jpg
                      That's him. Apparently he never admitted to taking steroids, looks natty. But yea you can see his double chin

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                      @Vladimir Clearly not natty bro unless hes like 5’ but still 😆

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                      • V Vladimir

                        @Liverlover Anectodal evidence, strengthening suprahyoid muscles elevates the hyoid bone because it's supported by the muscles. In Josh's case I don't really know what caused his double chin nor do I care, but I think he's just fat. I don't remember the name of the study but look up ' fast mouth opening hyoid elderly', the Ai should link the study

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                        @Vladimir yes more strength in supras will help but its also about lengtening the downpulling muscles and if your front neck muscles are pulling your head forward it actually shortens it

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                        • LiverloverL Liverlover

                          @Vladimir yes more strength in supras will help but its also about lengtening the downpulling muscles and if your front neck muscles are pulling your head forward it actually shortens it

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                          • ChillC Chill

                            @Elliott87
                            explain that then
                            you mean that if you did not workout or do sports during your childhood or teenage years you would have grown taller or have better facial development or thicker bones? or any other benefits?

                            people out here spewing goatis propaganda

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                            @Chill well if you eat enough to replace nutrients working out is fine, on this diet it’s fine ngl. Tho it is a useless waste of time and energy but each to their own.

                            On normal diets you will never replace those nutrients lost so you leach it from other cells. Thus causing aging, this also happens when ur malnourished etc

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