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@Liverlover I actually agree with this. I think cardio is obviously bad & 5-6 times a week is bad.
I'm sort of in the middle of this, you don't need to be a proffesional bodybuilder but you can try work out hard for 2 years 3x per week & then just maintain that physique with 2 moderate workouts per week. Anything more than 2 years is probably diminishing returns.
You will look pretty good lean after 2 years of training even with "Poverty Genetics"
@Jay yeah you could do that. I guess its easy for me to say dont workout but I trained for a few years and now I maintain physique im happy with with 0 training. I think if someone had high testosterone growing up they would have a good physique naturally but since we live in this world we most likely didn’t so we have to get to certain point and then let your new test levels maintain it on this diet. Still would’t train too hard bro just till mild discomfort.
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@Liverlover i hear ya man
but think of this when you squat or deadlift your test spikes and your hgh too iirc
so does that mean that now you have high test? no
same with the "downsides" of the gym the "stress" or whatever you are implying
at the moment of training you absolutley get more stressed but that is very much temporary, and the upsides are bigger than the downsides
ofc you can overtrain or overreach but that takes month of accumulated and mismanaged training@Chill Yeah you’re test will spike when you throw a rock at someone as well. The spike is just for dealing with the situation it doesnt change your baseline. Recovering muscles raises your cortisol baseline which would actually take away from testosterone.
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Goatis is kinda right bruh ppl who train a lot look exhausted bc their body literally hasn’t felt completely at rest in ages.
goatis says wild stuff man take it with pinch of salt, this is also not true you should feel fantasitc when training. many people report more confidence and mental health and ofcourse better physical form. you dont look exhausted from a simply working out bro and if you do there are bigger problems for you.
On top of that traditional weightlifting makes your front and back chain inbalanced (front becomes dominant instead of naturally it would be back chain dom).
spoken like someone who doesnt know weightlifting
traditional weightlifting especially olympic is very posterior chain dominant, strongman is posterior chain dominant, powerlifting is super niche down but still have big emphasis on legs and glutes
this happens only in dudes that chest press and do nothing else that is "wrong" ok but then its a problem with the people not the workoutEssentially it’s bad posture and I would argue that posture is way more important than muscle mass.
i see your point, but muscle mass helps you with posture you can correct bad posture by working out back and neck muscles
Also if you train a lot of isolation your muscles will develop weirdly imbalance like huge arms relative to body or small calves with big quads but also small hams and glutes. Or big biceps and triceps and small forearms. Also neck size gives away that you are not actually muscular bc high test but just frauding.
what? isolations can be used to prevent and fix imbalances like rear delts relative to front delts or side delts. do you know the spider physique its imbalance between limbs and torso which happens if you dont use some isolations.
also wdym "frauding". you got more muscular. the muscle is there. you arent pretending
and high test helps you get muscular but it doesnt not by itself make you muscular, unless you inject roidsI think goatis is right bro why be permanently stressed slightly for smth that literally starts going away the week you stop training.
muscles fades away very very slowly so if you "lose" your gains in a few weeks then you didnt have many gains to start with. there are many reasons to workout you are stronger, resist injury better, better for hormones, better longevity etc. another dude said that women get more attracted to you which is true
goatis says wild stuff man take it with pinch of salt, this is also not true you should feel fantasitc when training. many people report more confidence and mental health and ofcourse better physical form. you dont look exhausted from a simply working out bro and if you do there are bigger problems for you.
I know bro hes kinda gone crazy bc of social isolation. Can’t argue gym is stressful tho.
spoken like someone who doesnt know weightlifting
traditional weightlifting especially olympic is very posterior chain dominant, strongman is posterior chain dominant, powerlifting is super niche down but still have big emphasis on legs and glutes
this happens only in dudes that chest press and do nothing else that is "wrong" ok but then its a problem with the people not the workoutTrust me bro even pullups are front chain. Any sitting exercise is wrong. Squats are wrong. Training chest if your mid traps are weak is gonna make the imbalance bigger. I see people doing rows but their mid traps are so weak that they shrug their shoulders and the upper traps get even stiffer.
My point is that as long as you are in this “wrong pattern” you might be able to train very lightly in the “right pattern” but as soon as it gets heavy you will take the least friction route and you will make the wrong pattern even wronger. If there is imbalance there is no point in training both sides bc the imbalance will stay the same or get worse. Only if your back chain is absolutely dominating your front you can train front and back chain and both will get stronger but back chain will stay dominant, you see?i see your point, but muscle mass helps you with posture you can correct bad posture by working out back and neck muscles
yes but only if you do it right (very light and takes a lot of concentration at first) and it doesnt balance out if you train chest as well.
what? isolations can be used to prevent and fix imbalances like rear delts relative to front delts or side delts. do you know the spider physique its imbalance between limbs and torso which happens if you dont use some isolations.
Yes i agree on this isolation can be useful for fixing imbalance especially at first if you dont have a lot of mental access to the muscle.
also wdym "frauding". you got more muscular. the muscle is there. you arent pretending
imagine some guy with a super femine face but super jacked. Wouldnt look right would it?
and high test helps you get musculair but it doesnt not by itself make you muscular, unless you inject roids
Yeah i guess you just get more muscle from everyday movement
muscles fades away very very slowly so if you "lose" your gains in a few weeks then you didnt have many gains to start with. there are many reasons to workout you are stronger, resist injury better, better for hormones, better longevity etc. another dude said that women get more attracted to you which is true
Up to a point I agree
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@Liverlover Well the dude is fat, I think he does powerlifting. Based on some research on hyoid bone position that I did, neck chintuck-curls actually prevent that sagging/double chin from happening
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@Liverlover this opinion is straight buns bro
The fact that you get stronger and can progressivly overload is because you healed, its evidence you healed.First you compensate then you overcompensate, now u got a bit bigger and a bit stronger.
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@Elliott87
explain that then
you mean that if you did not workout or do sports during your childhood or teenage years you would have grown taller or have better facial development or thicker bones? or any other benefits?people out here spewing goatis propaganda
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@Vladimir well how so?
@Liverlover Anectodal evidence, strengthening suprahyoid muscles elevates the hyoid bone because it's supported by the muscles. In Josh's case I don't really know what caused his double chin nor do I care, but I think he's just fat. I don't remember the name of the study but look up ' fast mouth opening hyoid elderly', the Ai should link the study
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@Liverlover Anectodal evidence, strengthening suprahyoid muscles elevates the hyoid bone because it's supported by the muscles. In Josh's case I don't really know what caused his double chin nor do I care, but I think he's just fat. I don't remember the name of the study but look up ' fast mouth opening hyoid elderly', the Ai should link the study
@Vladimir about the double chin bro it could be roids
first time hearing abt josh but it could be roids.
some bodybuilders that compete professionally have double chins even at 4% bf cuz the muscles in there face get overdeveloped from test and hgh.
conor mcgregors jaw is likely affected by riods -
That's him. Apparently he never admitted to taking steroids, looks natty. But yea you can see his double chin -
That's him. Apparently he never admitted to taking steroids, looks natty. But yea you can see his double chin -
@Liverlover Anectodal evidence, strengthening suprahyoid muscles elevates the hyoid bone because it's supported by the muscles. In Josh's case I don't really know what caused his double chin nor do I care, but I think he's just fat. I don't remember the name of the study but look up ' fast mouth opening hyoid elderly', the Ai should link the study
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@Vladimir yes more strength in supras will help but its also about lengtening the downpulling muscles and if your front neck muscles are pulling your head forward it actually shortens it
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@Elliott87
explain that then
you mean that if you did not workout or do sports during your childhood or teenage years you would have grown taller or have better facial development or thicker bones? or any other benefits?people out here spewing goatis propaganda
@Chill well if you eat enough to replace nutrients working out is fine, on this diet it’s fine ngl. Tho it is a useless waste of time and energy but each to their own.
On normal diets you will never replace those nutrients lost so you leach it from other cells. Thus causing aging, this also happens when ur malnourished etc
