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@rawPrimalBube1 it was a good post
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@rawPrimalBube1 DNR moid
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You make some good points about the importance of evidence, but I think there is a misunderstanding of my actual argument.
The issue is not that I can prove every formula is ineffective. The issue is that claims about effectiveness require evidence proportional to the strength of the claim. Saying "there is not enough evidence to conclude this works" is not the same as saying "I have proven this cannot work." Those are completely different positions.
You correctly mention that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." However, that principle is often misunderstood. It does not mean that a claim becomes justified simply because it has not been disproven. It only means we should remain uncertain.
There is a difference between possibility, plausibility, and demonstrated efficacy. A thing can be biologically possible without having enough evidence to support confidence that it actually produces the claimed outcome.
This is where the burden of proof comes in. If someone claims that a specific formula, protocol, or combination of ingredients creates a meaningful effect, that claim requires supporting evidence. But the same standard applies to negative claims as well. Statements like "this is mostly placebo" or "half the formulas do not work" are also empirical claims and require justification. The standard has to be applied consistently.
Your argument about pain also makes an important distinction disappear. Yes, external factors can influence pain. Nutrition, sleep, stress, and many other variables can affect physiology. But moving from "external inputs can affect pain" to
"therefore this specific formula is effective" is an example of a logical leap. A mechanism can explain why something might work, but mechanistic plausibility is not the same as clinical validation.
For example, many substances have a plausible biological explanation behind them. That alone does not prove they produce meaningful results in real-world conditions. This is exactly why evidence-based medicine separates hypotheses, mechanisms, and demonstrated outcomes.
The same applies to the craving argument. There is no contradiction in saying that cravings can be influenced by environment, habits, and previous dietary patterns while also acknowledging that appetite regulation can improve over time. Human physiology is dynamic, not static. A system can be temporarily influenced without being permanently unreliable.
I also think there is an issue with the standard being applied. You criticize people for accepting claims without enough evidence, but some of your own conclusions rely on assumptions rather than direct evidence. Pointing out that something is possible does not prove that it is effective. The evidential burden works both ways.
Regarding the "low IQ" and "brainwashed" comments: I agree that personal attacks do not strengthen an argument. Ideas should be judged by their reasoning and evidence, not by insulting the people who support them. My criticism was aimed at claims and the level of evidence behind them, not at someone's value as a person.
Ultimately, the question is not "could this work?" Almost anything is theoretically possible. The question is whether the available evidence justifies confidence that it does work. Remaining skeptical until that evidence exists is not being closed-minded; it is applying a consistent epistemic standard. I was trying to create a debate against my argument against Aajonus, and not to insult people. You don’t see much posts on this forum speaking against Aajonus, alltough not everything was Perfect. -
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@Elliott87
Please just stop insulting. We can have a conversation like a man. So i think the nut formula is bs.@rawPrimalBube1 Ok so what makes you think the nut formula is BS? Because nuts contain starch, so consuming it would provide relief to a starch craving
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@rawPrimalBube1 Ok so what makes you think the nut formula is BS? Because nuts contain starch, so consuming it would provide relief to a starch craving
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@veloman
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@Elliott87
Pufa bomb@rawPrimalBube1 We can’t digest and utilise nut oils, they just pass through the human body undigested. There is more saturated fat than pufa’s in the nut formula as well. can you explain the “bs” a bit more please
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@Elliott87
Pufa bomb@rawPrimalBube1 to make it 100% clear, it’s not a. Pufa bomb because the pufa doesn’t get absorbed
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@xtra
No. Your brain stimulates what you think. It’s the same with a Adrenalin spike where you get 100x strength slltough your not that strong@rawPrimalBube1 Placebo effect has literally cured diseases before
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@Hunterskull
Be high iq, i know if someone is low iq or not. If you just believe anything anyone says your not the smartest. Someone who always replies with nonesense is not smart. You have to really hit people to make them rage. These people won’t accept new things or new ideas not simply because they don’t want to, but because they can’t. Someone told them this is good, and they won’t accept or question anything you say. For example you could be a football trainer, and you say that this Taktik works for winning, now if someone else says that it doesn’t work they won’t accept this. Because their leader said this is the best tactic.@rawPrimalBube1 well they try aajonus' suggestions and see that its always working out for them and they begin legitimizing and giving him the benefit of the doubt most of the time, essentially blindly believing
Aajonus' has some pretty wild holistic spiritual memories like a coyote feeding him meat among others, which have deterred me from just believing anything that comes from his mouth. But you have to realise that these people are in a positive feedback loop of always listening to aajonus and typically reaping the rewards of it
And yes, self thinking and being critical/questioning anything you hear is a high iq trait but i feel like its people like faceiq that have drilled that into you rather than it being your own realization, a high iq person is born with that, not something that has been taught to him by another high iq person (faceiq's iq is either 135 or 140 i forgot which)
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@xtra Yeah but its all beliefs. It doesnt actually get cured
@Hunterskull I'll get cancer then convince myself wrapping my balls around each other will remove it. then I'll execute the process and come back to you. watch it cure me
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@Rabbi he does have thousands of pages. Which are currently being gate kept. We need to organise a robbery of Paul kruhms hosue. He lives in California so he won’t have a gun
