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I think it is a good thing in a sense that you can better yourself and look better, but a lot of people take it too far and end up hating themselves to the point of killing themself, and many brands use peoples insecurities to market their product.
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If by blackpill you mean „looks and success in life are genetically predetermined” i dont fully agree with that ideology. Yes i do believe that lookism is real and a part of our society, but i dont think looks are genetically predetermined, i would say they’re mostly developmental. Two people with the same exact genetics would grow up to look differently depending on their diet.
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I think it is a good thing in a sense that you can better yourself and look better, but a lot of people take it too far and end up hating themselves to the point of killing themself, and many brands use peoples insecurities to market their product.
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I think it is a good thing in a sense that you can better yourself and look better, but a lot of people take it too far and end up hating themselves to the point of killing themself, and many brands use peoples insecurities to market their product.
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If by blackpill you mean „looks and success in life are genetically predetermined” i dont fully agree with that ideology. Yes i do believe that lookism is real and a part of our society, but i dont think looks are genetically predetermined, i would say they’re mostly developmental. Two people with the same exact genetics would grow up to look differently depending on their diet.
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@xx I think like blackpill as like looks determine how other people treat you is 100% real.
because at the end of the day girl needs to be attracted to a guy to like him, like something physically about him needs to intuitively make her kinda obsessed.
also not just looks but personality and hygiene but they are secondary. I myself get away with bad hygiene because good looks and good social skills. (low inhibition). but i would get more girls if i brushed my teeth, i have kissed with girls without brushing teeth for months (not even with toothbrush
)We want to live!
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@xx I think like blackpill as like looks determine how other people treat you is 100% real.
because at the end of the day girl needs to be attracted to a guy to like him, like something physically about him needs to intuitively make her kinda obsessed.
also not just looks but personality and hygiene but they are secondary. I myself get away with bad hygiene because good looks and good social skills. (low inhibition). but i would get more girls if i brushed my teeth, i have kissed with girls without brushing teeth for months (not even with toothbrush
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@xx brushing teeth is not what humans do naturally really, some did i guess. its just my personal opinion, not like i recommend it but the reason is that you dont disturb the bacteria, bacteria protects you from disease.
for example you can more easily develop Tonsillitis if you use toothpaste, because the mouth doesnt have as good protection against invasive microbes because the toothpaste poisons the protective bacteria and you.
bacteria protect the teeth by creating a biofilm around it that prevent decay.
most important for strong teeth is nutrition.
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@Rabbi i think looks play a very big role and always had since it's connected to health, but some just take it too far. Even if youre below average you can still live a good life, and even good looking people are unfortunate sometimes. Looks do give an advantage in life but if you're chopped it doesn't mean your life is necessarily over
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@Rabbi i think looks play a very big role and always had since it's connected to health, but some just take it too far. Even if youre below average you can still live a good life, and even good looking people are unfortunate sometimes. Looks do give an advantage in life but if you're chopped it doesn't mean your life is necessarily over
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i think the idea or trend is very negative in general, people understand it anyway whether they like it or not, it hurts the general population and especially the ones who are immersed in it, i think that instead of a hateful community (what it really is) should be a health and wellness focused community, like our primal one, hate always comes from insecurity. its gotten to such a bad point that people modify themselves heavily, just take a look at the new roided up incel kick influencers who literally go around preaching hate all day, they hate themselves, that's okay, some people do, but blackpill just normalises that to an unnecessary point. i do believe in lookism and blackpill as an idea and a philosophy. And yes, it is subconsciously wired into every person's brain since birth. my final point is that: people should stop measuring their dick and just get outside and fuck, by this i mean that people should stop calculating ratios and get outside live a healthy life which will eventually make them look better anyway. We should stop pushing a fix to a problem if we could solve the root cause of the problem.
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i think the idea or trend is very negative in general, people understand it anyway whether they like it or not, it hurts the general population and especially the ones who are immersed in it, i think that instead of a hateful community (what it really is) should be a health and wellness focused community, like our primal one, hate always comes from insecurity. its gotten to such a bad point that people modify themselves heavily, just take a look at the new roided up incel kick influencers who literally go around preaching hate all day, they hate themselves, that's okay, some people do, but blackpill just normalises that to an unnecessary point. i do believe in lookism and blackpill as an idea and a philosophy. And yes, it is subconsciously wired into every person's brain since birth. my final point is that: people should stop measuring their dick and just get outside and fuck, by this i mean that people should stop calculating ratios and get outside live a healthy life which will eventually make them look better anyway. We should stop pushing a fix to a problem if we could solve the root cause of the problem.
@kxsprrr There is no way around nature, if you try to artificially change your looks it will just backstab you.
But saying some community is toxic doesnt mean blackpill is not generally true. their methods are just wrong. but in my opinion blackpill is factual. and you believe that too, which is cool!
They just mean that your appereance matters most in dating, but most of them should accept that, become healthier and that way the best they can look naturally.
they are all just insecure 16 year olds, trust me.
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@kxsprrr There is no way around nature, if you try to artificially change your looks it will just backstab you.
But saying some community is toxic doesnt mean blackpill is not generally true. their methods are just wrong. but in my opinion blackpill is factual. and you believe that too, which is cool!
They just mean that your appereance matters most in dating, but most of them should accept that, become healthier and that way the best they can look naturally.
they are all just insecure 16 year olds, trust me.
@Rabbi I think there’s a category error here between what the Black Pill describes and how some people emotionally react to it.
Black Pill isn’t a prescription and it isn’t a coping strategy. It’s a descriptive framework: looks strongly shape social and sexual outcomes because attraction is driven by evolved biology. That’s it. What people do after accepting that truth (LDAR, nihilism, excess, self-hatred) is downstream behaviour, not the black pill theory itself. This preface should be made crystal clear to everybody engaging in the discussion of blackpill.
On the point about artificially changing looks "backstabbing you", that’s also not universally true. There are plenty of counterexamples where artificial enhancement clearly worked in real-world outcomes: surgery, PEDs, orthodontics, grooming, even cosmetic intervention. Tom Cruise, Kylie Jenner, Sean O’Pry, and countless others materially improved their position in the hierarchy through non-natural means. Nature doesn’t punish intervention by default; it only punishes failed or poorly calibrated intervention.
The real distinction isn’t natural vs artificial, it’s alignment vs misalignment with underlying biological signals. If an intervention enhances traits that signal health, dominance, symmetry, or vitality, it tends to work. If it overshoots, looks uncanny, or contradicts biology, it backfires. So usually it's technical issue, not related to moral issue.
Where the Nature Pill fits is as a solution-layer, not a refutation of the Black Pill. Black Pill removes comforting lies about attraction. Nature Pill addresses why modern environments distort development in the first place (diet, light, endocrine disruption, sedentary living, high level indoctrination) and why restoring alignment upstream reduces the need for extreme downstream fixes.
So yes, looks absolutely matter. Yes, development matters. Yes, intervention can work.
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@Rabbi I think there’s a category error here between what the Black Pill describes and how some people emotionally react to it.
Black Pill isn’t a prescription and it isn’t a coping strategy. It’s a descriptive framework: looks strongly shape social and sexual outcomes because attraction is driven by evolved biology. That’s it. What people do after accepting that truth (LDAR, nihilism, excess, self-hatred) is downstream behaviour, not the black pill theory itself. This preface should be made crystal clear to everybody engaging in the discussion of blackpill.
On the point about artificially changing looks "backstabbing you", that’s also not universally true. There are plenty of counterexamples where artificial enhancement clearly worked in real-world outcomes: surgery, PEDs, orthodontics, grooming, even cosmetic intervention. Tom Cruise, Kylie Jenner, Sean O’Pry, and countless others materially improved their position in the hierarchy through non-natural means. Nature doesn’t punish intervention by default; it only punishes failed or poorly calibrated intervention.
The real distinction isn’t natural vs artificial, it’s alignment vs misalignment with underlying biological signals. If an intervention enhances traits that signal health, dominance, symmetry, or vitality, it tends to work. If it overshoots, looks uncanny, or contradicts biology, it backfires. So usually it's technical issue, not related to moral issue.
Where the Nature Pill fits is as a solution-layer, not a refutation of the Black Pill. Black Pill removes comforting lies about attraction. Nature Pill addresses why modern environments distort development in the first place (diet, light, endocrine disruption, sedentary living, high level indoctrination) and why restoring alignment upstream reduces the need for extreme downstream fixes.
So yes, looks absolutely matter. Yes, development matters. Yes, intervention can work.
The mistake is moralizing any of this instead of treating it as biology operating inside a modern, misaligned system.@leo
Yes I absolutely agree with the objective evidence that blackpill is trueish. Its just interesting why most people take the artificial route. I kinda took the whitepill: accepting blackpill but maximizing personal happiness.
Also I feel hardmaxxing is kinda meaningless, just take your looksmatch and live life. Looks are kinda superficial at the end in my opinion. If you really want to maximize your looks then yeah some very subtle surgeries like hair transplant, rhinoplasty can be okay. But like lefort could be dangerous and too invasive so the results are not guaranteed to be good.
so the naturepill is kinda way to live the whitepill (maximize personal happiness). and whitepill people understand blackpill, they just dont cope like most blackpillers.
I myself see primal diet kinda like the ultimate "fact" of health and diet, as blackpill is the ultimate "fact" about social dynamics.
Also I kinda see primal diet and lifestyle as the best solution for ROI (return of investment) VS risk for blackpill and looksmax. (you are both maximizing development, looks and personal happiness).
Also Rawprimal nutrition makes you stop giving a fuck about blackpill because your baseline mood and energy is so high you don’t need external female validation to feel alive.
People on rawprimal diet kinda do whatever they want and they don't limit them selfs to even truthful things like blackpill, we have so much energy we dont give a shit.
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Yes I absolutely agree with the objective evidence that blackpill is trueish. Its just interesting why most people take the artificial route. I kinda took the whitepill: accepting blackpill but maximizing personal happiness.
Also I feel hardmaxxing is kinda meaningless, just take your looksmatch and live life. Looks are kinda superficial at the end in my opinion. If you really want to maximize your looks then yeah some very subtle surgeries like hair transplant, rhinoplasty can be okay. But like lefort could be dangerous and too invasive so the results are not guaranteed to be good.
so the naturepill is kinda way to live the whitepill (maximize personal happiness). and whitepill people understand blackpill, they just dont cope like most blackpillers.
I myself see primal diet kinda like the ultimate "fact" of health and diet, as blackpill is the ultimate "fact" about social dynamics.
Also I kinda see primal diet and lifestyle as the best solution for ROI (return of investment) VS risk for blackpill and looksmax. (you are both maximizing development, looks and personal happiness).
Also Rawprimal nutrition makes you stop giving a fuck about blackpill because your baseline mood and energy is so high you don’t need external female validation to feel alive.
People on rawprimal diet kinda do whatever they want and they don't limit them selfs to even truthful things like blackpill, we have so much energy we dont give a shit.
@Rabbi I mostly agree with you, but I think there’s still a subtle conflation happening.
“Taking your looksmatch and living life” only functions cleanly in theory. In practice, modern dating environments are distorted enough that looksmatch pairing is far less stable than it was historically. Hyper-visibility, apps, and constant comparison inflate standards, so looks stop being “superficial” and become the primary sorting mechanism whether people like it or not. That isn't somebody judging values it's, simply an observation about incentives.
On hardmaxxing: I don’t see it as meaningless, I see it as context-dependent. For someone already developmentally aligned, invasive intervention has diminishing returns and higher risk, agreed. But for people whose development was compromised early (eating seeds or endocrine disruption lowering igf-1 consistently, orthodontic neglect, etc.), intervention can restore alignment rather than distort it. Again, not morally, just mechanically.
Where I think your point lands strongest is ROI. Naturepill / primal living offers the highest upside with the lowest downside: it improves baseline health, mood, energy, and development without introducing fragility. That alone explains why people naturally detach from obsessive blackpill rumination once their physiology is corrected. When your nervous system is regulated and energy is high, abstract hierarchies lose salience.
I’d frame it this way:
Black Pill = diagnostic truth about selection and hierarchy
Hardmaxxing = situational tool, high variance, high risk
Nature Pill / Primal = upstream correction that reduces the need for downstream fixes
So I don’t think it’s about rejecting blackpill or "not giving a fuck" because of cope. It’s more that once your biology is aligned, blackpill truths stop feeling existentially threatening. They’re still true, they just don’t dominate your internal state.
That’s not whitepill optimism or not caring. It's just nature pill/ biology doing what it’s supposed to do.
